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Wednesday, November 09, 2005

The Effect of the Gospel on How We Perceive Others (Updated)

Updated: November 9, 2005

This past summer I posted on "How the Gospel Helps us Hold Others in High Regard." Recently, in the midst of this charismata debate/discussion, I've seen some things I discussed in my post back then markedly revealed this past weekend. I don't care to name any names, but I will name the central issue that is driving me absolutely nuts. You ready? Here it is....

It has happened on both sides of this debate, and almost entirely from the reformed cessationists. There is this crazy concept constantly being propounded that since charismatics do crazy things like proclaming prophecies that do not come true, (1) they are crazy bozos, (2) they are acting in an evil fashion, purposefully I might add; (3) the rest of their ministries and labors for the kingdom are discredited; (4) they are tacitly written off.

Brothers and sisters, this is flat out wrong, unbiblical, and is perhaps one of the poorest reflections of the gospel of Jesus Christ. One of the effects the gospel of Christ has on us is that it causes us, even compels us to maintain a high regard for others, despite their mistakes, sins, and crazy actions. The fact that a human Christian errs does not discredit everything else he does, says, or writes. If there's one glaring error in behavior among my cessationists friends it sort of hovers above this very thing on this very issue. A charismatic is a Christian too, one saved by the cross, one loved by Christ, one prayed for by Christ, one chosen by Christ, one baptized into Christ, and one put into ministry of any kind by Christ. Their error(s) no more discredit them than our daily sinfulness discredits the rest of our lives. We are looking at this whole thing from the back end. Consider two ways this is occurring.

First, the error(s) we commit - and more particularly, the errors charismatics or charismaniacs commit - are no different than the errors we commit. What seems to be so remarkable to me is that when I was a cessationist (and I'm implying something very broad and general here about most other cessationists and not necessarily anyone in particular...though some faces do come to mind!) the pride and arrogance that caused me to write off or discredit another man's ministry or life because he was a charismatic or because he gave 'false' or erroneous prophetic words is simply astounding as I look back on it. What arrogance to think that I had the market cornered on exegetical and theological truth, such that I could, would, and did hold my other charismatic brothers and sisters in such low regard.

And if I may point out related error that I'm afraid is occurring among my cessationist friends, they find themselves more readily able to hold Sovereign Grace charismatics in much higher regard than the other charismatics. You know why? Because they are reformed, primarily, but also because they are a bid 'milder' than many other charismaniacs. However, all that seems to communicate is a continued attitude of elitism which says that if we share reformed theology then I can like you, fellowship with you, and feel more comfortable around you than if you are a part of the Vineyard Movement, or Oral Roberts ministry, or the Kansas City Prophets. Yet I must ask, why is the fact that one is reformed make us want to treat them with more niceness? Why do some reformed cessationists get so incredibly hyped up at some well-meaning charismatic televangelists, only to tone it way, way down when they meet a reformed charismatic? That is terribly hypocritical. The blood of Jesus is what unites us, and not reformed doctrine. Would I want them teaching and preaching in my local church, or serving as a church leader? Absolutely not. Would I, or will I read their books? Probably not. But I am bound to love my charismaniac brothers and sisters no matter how they act or how erroneous or crazy they become. I am bound to place the same value upon them as I do one who is reformed. They are my blood brothers and sisters. This brings me to the second way we look at this thing from the back end.

Second, the sins, errors, and mistakes of charismatics and charismaniacs are as much covered by the blood as are the sins, errors, and mistakes of reformed cessationists. A false prophecy is erroneous. Yet that doesn't make it inherently sinful (but even if it were sinful it is still forgiveable, not falling under the 'unforgiveable' sin). As charismatics understand it, especially the milder ones, to err is human. While we may know with much certainty we are hearing from the Lord, we may not necessarily be hearing Him correctly or accurately. And that may be due to a variety of reasons. But if I am not hearing correctly, that is no reason to 'dis' me or write me off. True, the larger the prophetic error, the wider the margin for public disdain. But it doesn't have to be that way. We don't have to treat those who err with such contempt, referring to their mistakes as evil, ungodly, or worse yet, even Satanic! One could easily look at the inward or outward life of a reformed cessationist and make the same conclusion upon the observation of one's one act of greed at income tax time, or a look of lust at a restaurant one day, or moment of wrath and anger toward the children one day.

Praise God for the cross. The conclusion of this post is that those who know their own sinfulness more than others have more patience with others. They are more capable of holding others in higher regard than those who are not as appropriately and keenly aware of their own sinfulness. They are more quick to forgive and rescue than are those who are quick to speak, slow to listen, and quick to get angry.

Finally, for those who will undoubtedly reply in vehemence that sound doctrine is at stake here, I'd respond, 'So what.' Since when does Christ condone or commend to us an attitude of sinfulness toward those who are either doctrinally errant or even worse who are false teachers? No, the attitude of Paul in 2 Timothy 2 was to pray for these folks so that God may be kind enough to lead them a knowledge of the truth that leads to repentance. And I dare say this wasn't just a "We need to be prayin' for Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn" attitude that says such things but never actually engages God in earnest, consistent prayer for them. The fact that sound doctrine is at stake doesn't mean the error is unforgivable! "I know that!" say some in response. But you really don't if you don't treat them like it is forgiveable by loving them enough to truly pray for them, and above all else, speak of them and to them with graciousness, letting our speech be seasoned with salt (Col. 4), with kindness and tenderheartedness (Eph. 4).

Whew! I'm glad I got that off my chest. Aren't blogs great! It's a good place to 'vent' for a moment!

Update: November 9, 2005

Can you say overstatement. That's often the case with impetuous blog posts like this one. While the substance of my argument remains unchanged, the various worthy and trusted comments left by friends have pointed out the flaw in it. In short, while they graciously 'hear' what I'm saying, I may not be saying it with enough balance. So allow me to correct myself online, if you will.

Charismaniacs who use anything spectacular - calling it a spiritual gift - in the name of manipulation or authoritarianism are awful people and deserve a 'butt-whoopin' as my grandaddy used to call it. It's outright sinful. And this includes those sorry sort of televangelists - with hair-dont's instead of hair-do's - who manipulate people out of their money and life savings all in the name of 'seed faith.' They are con-men making a living off the name of Jesus and they will surely pay for their sin if they do not repent. On this point, I thank John Schroeder (Blogotional) and agree with his point. (Thanks, John, by the way for pointing out this flaw in my argument above as well as Dave Wayne [Jollyblogger] for taking me to task in a generous manner.) These kinds of men are those who, upon further reflection of John's argument, do in fact take God's name in vain.

Again, my initial point was concerning those within the charismatic movement, as opposed to the charismaniac movement, who are well-meaning believers, desiring to glorify God as best they can, but who err in their usage of the spiritual gifts. We all err in our usage of the spiritual gifts, and if there are some who are not so humble as to agree, they'll have to agree that they definitely err in the production of the spiritual fruits! If we are all depraved by nature, and all share a constant need of the cross, then whether erring, well-meaning charismatic (reformed or Arminian) or not, they deserve our love, prayers, forgiveness, correction, and fellowship. That was my main point. But my failure to communicate categories of charismatic trouble is what got me into some trouble!

Thanks to all who have helped me hopefully say this better. And thanks for your patience as I rant and rave about how we ought to be more gospel-centered in how we treat each other.

6 comments:

candyinsierras 11/08/2005 05:07:00 PM  

I think graciousness in commendable, but I see some real alarming trends in the charismatic movement. I have done a lot of research in this area due to concerns for friends who were getting caught up in some really weird things. I found that a large number of charismatics are going in a very disturbing direction. Since I was once into New Age, I can see anything that resembles new agism a mile off. I am seeing multitudes going off into apostasy. When I voiced concern to one pastor about him leading his congregation in the direction of some alarming trends (all in the name of revival), he insinuated that I was a "Jezebel" trying for control. It wasn't my church by the way, but it was the church of a close friend, and my friend was getting into a ministry that interpreted dreams and colors and saw "angelic" lights floating around meetings. I think as a watchman on the wall, there is a time for graciousness to give way to strong words of warning. I am a charismatic by the way, but have walked away from much of the extreme demonstrations and sensationalism, which in fact, makes me feel sick at heart. Remember that Satan is disguised many times as an angel of light. It all looks good but is deceiving. on a side note...my husband and I sure wish we could go to a Sovereign Grace Church!

Gaddabout 11/08/2005 05:41:00 PM  

Rob, even as a charismatic, I have no fear saying I believe the Word/Faith dogma is a vile corruption of the Gospel. At the same time, I "hear" what you're (writing), and it's important to seperate the dogma from the person. That's difficult to do.

I've also been on the other end of that stick, having to defend John Wimber from what I considered horrible ad hominem attacks full of misrepresentation and distortion. Wimber was not perfect and he had to come under correction himself for the whole KC prophet thing, but it should not discredit those things I believe God did through him in the Vineyard. Ironically, Wimber himself was too conservative for the early Vineyard, literally screaming at someone who dared include a saxophone in one of their recordings.

All that said, I don't want to be judged by what Wimber said and did. I want to be judged on my own actions and faith, and although I am a member of the Vineyard, I would hope a potential critic would first engage me rather than drawing assumptions based on my affiliation.

Steve Sensenig 11/09/2005 08:24:00 AM  

I hear what you're saying, and I think you're close to being on the right track. I agree that when false teaching is pointed out, it should be done in a humble, gracious, Christ-like attitude.

However, my question really revolves around the way the Scripture handles false prophecies. In Deuteronomy (forgive me for not having the exact reference in front of me), God tells the Israelites that if a prophet prophecies presumptiously (i.e., a false prophecy in the name of the Lord, and I think the idea of "presumptious" means that even if he really thinks he is prophecying in the name of the Lord), they are to disregard him and not pay any attention to him. Elsewhere in the same chapter, God instructs them to stone a false prophet.

I'm certainly not advocating stoning, and it would be easy to say "Yeah, but that's Old Testament, and the cross changed everything." It did...except that 1 John also gives strong warnings about false prophets and instructs us not to even let them into our fellowship.

So while I commend your idea that we must be Christ-like in our own attitude, I cannot fully agree with your statement that, even in the case of false prophets, we shouldn't discredit them.

I speak all this as a charismatic, by the way!

Finally, with regard to candyinsierras's comment about New Age: There is a danger in your thinking in that you say that you can recognize anything New Age a mile away. I interpret this to mean that if you spot anything in a ministry or teaching that seems at all similar to your previous New Age beliefs, you reject it. The danger is in the fact that we fail to consider the possibility that there may very well be elements of New Age teaching which are actually "stolen" by our enemy (Satan) from the truth. Therefore, a resemblance between the teaching of a Christian and the teaching of a New Age teacher may not automatically mean the Christian is a heretic. It may mean that in that particular area, New Agers actually have a portion of truth.

As you pointed out, Satan masquerades as an angel of light, so it would make perfect sense that false religions would (and they do) have varying degrees of truth mixed in with their fatal errors.

steve :)

John Schroeder 11/09/2005 09:15:00 AM  

Rob, you're a brother, and I understand the spirit of this post, but I have to disagree pretty strongly with some of the details. None of what I say in this post is personal about you. It is; however, very personal from my experience, pain and study.

candyinsierras 11/09/2005 06:07:00 PM  

Well of course false religions have a bit of truth mixed in with their fatal errors. That is what make them effective as deception. Are you really implying that I am in danger in my thinking by being concerned that some of new age thinking get mixed in with the Truth??? New Age and Christianity are diametrically apposed. Read up on the agenda of some New Age teachers. They are invested in infiltrating the Church. In fact, they have infiltrated the Church in many different avenues. I would rather stick with the Gospel and only the gospel. You state on the one hand about I John and not letting false prophets into our fellowships and on the other hand soft-pedal dangerous new age practices. Do some research into these issues and ask God for discernment.

Steve Sensenig 11/11/2005 05:02:00 PM  

candyinsierras, you severely misunderstood what I was trying to point out. And perhaps, in fairness, I misunderstood your point.

What I was addressing is that many times, things are presented in Christian teaching that others immediately dismiss because it sounds "New Age" or resembles New Age teaching.

The end result of New Age teaching may be "diametrically opposed" as you said to the truth of Christianity. But that is not to say that all New Age teaching is false.

Now, by saying that, you think I'm soft-peddling new age practices. I'm NOT!! But I wanted to voice the thought that we must test every teaching against Scripture, not against a false religion to determine if it is true or false.

If a Christian teaches something that you recognize from a mile away as resembling New Age teaching, does that automatically mean the teaching is false? We wouldn't know until we test it against Scripture.

That is the only point I was trying to make. Certainly not trying to promote New Age teaching wholesale here!!! :)

I hope that clears it up a bit.

steve :)

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